Of Equality

 

“We want not equality but a good life for each.”

—Richard Robinson, An Atheist’s Values, 1964

 

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  1. rallen2

    The goal of socialism/communism is not the kind of equality that denies human beings have unequal abilities and unequal needs. There is a kind of socialist/communist egalitarianism that recognizes unequal human abilities and needs. Socialists and communists want to improve the quality of every human life; they do not want to demand every person have an equal quantity of goods, and they do not expect people to have equal abilities.

    July 30, 2017
  2. shadowstarz

    Yes, a fair and just life… for all. And. Not just some, who can afford a decent education !

    July 30, 2017
  3. iiwg

    Socialism/Communism = a few thinking they know what’s best for others, and keeping those ‘others’ in their place through brute force, is what it comes down to…no thanks.

    July 30, 2017
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    2. rallen2

      There are socialists and communists who advocate an authoritarian and elitist version of state-socialism. But democratic socialists advocate a democratic version of socialism. There are a few socialists and communists who think they know what’s best for other peoples, and who would like to keep other people in their place through brute force, if necessary. But not all socialists or communists think in this way, or desire such an arrangement. If you’re going to criticize socialism or communism, perhaps you might read pro-socialist writers, rather than anti-socialist writers. Pro-socialist authors generally recommend a democratic vision of socialism, while anti-socialist authors represent socialism in as bad a way as can be imagined. Most socialists would not advocate the socialism portrayed and criticized by anti-socialists. To know what socialism truly “comes down to”, please read what socialists write, not what right-wing neoliberals and market fundamentalists write against socialism.

      July 30, 2017
      1. iiwg

        I hear you, and am open minded, and do read all, but in the end, all these systems, sadly, just seem to fall prey to ‘human nature’…

        No doubt, your heart, intentions are good, but history just tells us that those you’d draft into system, the rulers, would eventually give into greed and power…(that’s not your fault)…

        August 07, 2017
        1. rallen2

          You wrote: “No doubt, your heart, intentions are good, but history just tells us that those you’d draft into system, the rulers, would eventually give into greed and power…(that’s not your fault)…” Socialism and democracy is not about “drafting a class of rulers”. Socialism is about ending classes, especially ruling classes. Socialism and democracy are about dissolving class power by the equal allocation of power. And in a democratic and socialist arrangement, greed will not be a sensible, rational, or practical attribute of educated and enlightened citizens. Greed works in a profiteering and competitive capitalism; it will not have a reason to operate in a cooperative and mutualist arrangement.

          August 07, 2017
          1. iiwg

            Again, you mean well, but not even ‘socialist’ leaning bands can stay together longer than a few years, in that personalities get in the way (human nature)…

            Socialism only works with like insects, ants, a colony of ants or bees, where all are genetically hardwired to obey, follow, and serve the queen. Ants, Bees, hornets ect, are hardwired to be ‘socialists’, but advanced lifeforms, not so much.

            Because with even group of 100, at least 20 would begin ‘questioning’ direction of so called leaders, and within that 20, there’s be like 5 hardcore ‘rebellious’ types…

            Regardless of ‘system’, still have to deal with human ego, and lust for power and control, and that’s the danger.

            Socialism works with simply minded animals, like birds, but not with humans…

            August 11, 2017
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            4. rallen2

              You wrote: “Even ‘socialist’ leaning bands can stay together longer than a few years, in that personalities get in the way (human nature)…” I suppose you meant to say “cannot stay together”. I do not know what you mean by “socialist bands”. Do you mean a “musical group”, or a “tribe”? I grant you that human beings are solitary beings as well as sociable beings. Social tribes stay together because human beings need each other in order to survive and thrive. Although musical groups break up for various reasons, all of the members of that group remain within a human community. We are a communal species. Community is in our species nature as human beings. You wrote: “Socialism only works with like insects, ants, a colony of ants or bees, where all are genetically hardwired to obey, follow, and serve the queen.” This assertion is dubious. You are taking the word “socialism” out of its human context, and applying the word to a apiary context, or an anthill, or termite mound. You wrote: “Ants, Bees, hornets etc, are hardwired to be ‘socialists’, but advanced lifeforms, not so much.” Arthropod “socialism” is not anthropoid socialism. Using the same word to describe both arthropod and anthropoid societies is an untenable strategy, an ambiguous maneuver. You wrote: “Even group of 100, at least 20 would begin ‘questioning’ direction of so called leaders, and within that 20, there’s be like 5 hardcore ‘rebellious’ types…” There are no directors or leaders in a socialist democracy. There are no authoritarian warlords, no bosses, no fuhrers, no absolute monarchs, no masters, and no caliphs. You wrote: “Regardless of ‘system’, still have to deal with human ego, and lust for power and control, and that’s the danger.” For egoistic people with a lust for power, there must be an opportunity for getting power in order to secure power. In a capitalist and statist political economy, such as our present system and structure, there is a possibility, an opening for acquiring political and/or economic power. A socialist and democratic commonwealth will not give egoistic opportunists an opening for gaining power over other people. You wrote: “Socialism works with simply minded animals, like birds, but not with humans…” With humans, socialism must work with intelligent and informed citizens, a network of educated and thoughtful citizens.

              August 12, 2017
        2. rallen2

          You wrote: “I hear you, and am open minded, and do read all, but in the end, all these systems, sadly, just seem to fall prey to ‘human nature’…” “Human nature” has always been the first and foremost case against democracy and socialism. The Enlightenment period’s optimistic view of human nature gave us the bourgeois revolutions that produced modern republics and modern capitalism. Now that we need to transcend statism and capitalism, human nature has become a really big problem. Pessimism about human nature is always the case against revolution. The feudal ideology used human nature to argue against the bourgeois republican revolutions, which were based upon Enlightenment optimism. And today, capitalist ideology uses human nature to argue against a democratic and socialist revolution.

          August 07, 2017